It is, the right position is he should have never started it the first place. Now he’ll scream victory and leave. Only costed millions, if not billions, of dollars and thousands of lives. Such success

Do you remember why the strait was closed in the first place.

This is like knocking over someone’s sand castle, getting your ass beat for it, they agree to stop if you rebuild the sand castle, you do and declare victory

Radiation typically spreads through weather as its lifted into the atmosphere. Mountains notably break-up and can contain weather fronts. It will also inhibit the aresolization of radioactive dust.

Look into how mountains impact weather and the movement of air. I’m not claiming it will 100% contain radiation spread but it will help limit it.

Remember it is a function of time as radiation naturally decays over time. This isn’t Chernobyl, nukes are designed around isotopes that degrade faster.

But yeah Pakistan and Russia would likely feel the effects to some degree. Is Saudi Arabia a nuclear state? They would feel it too.

I guess it depends on your definition of society- they wouldn’t have a functioning government for a while, but the people surviving would still be Iranian and depending on whether they’re Kurdish, Persian, or other, might still have loyalty to the idea of an Iranian state.

Okay this one is fun and much more my area of expertise. You’re getting at the core because it is something that is very difficult to determine. The Roman Empire is a great example, we can talk about just the west for now. Roman Britain was abandoned by the Roman’s, and yet archaeological evidence shows that they still tried to live like Romans or at least the elites did. Historical records show a clear point at which the Roman Empire left, but when did the elites and people stop considering themselves Roman? They did eventually stop, and that was due to being cut-off from the empire.

Then you can look at the Bronze age collapse where whole civilizations just ceased to exist. Certainly the people persisted, but few states survived in tact. People still lived their but their civilizations ceased. They spoke the same languages still, but many cities across the Mediterranean region stop inhabited. By the time written record returned new states had formed and material culture changed. We know logically the people themselves existed in continuity but their societies ceased.

Maybe this is getting to into the weeds and not appropriate here, but this is my field and I’ve dedicated a lot of time to it. So the short answer is it is nearly impossible to draw a line, but societies do collapse even when the people persist

That’s not how radiation spreads. It will be bad for the surrounding countries, but modern bombs were designed to have lower radiation. Mostly so troops can go and occupy shortly afterwards. Plus the mountainous geography of Iran will contain a lot of the radiation.

Then there’s the question do you have to kill all 90 million? If they destroyed all cities over 100,000 that effectively ends the society overnight. It’s not the full 90 million, but there’s nothing left to rebuild with.

That alone limits the number of bombs dropped.

Plus we’re still forgetting that a deranged lunatic is in charge.

The US never had the stated goal to wipe those cities off the planet. This guy is a lunatic and will use far more than 1 nuke. He doesn’t care about consequences or the effects spreading to surrounding nations. It’s best to assume those making the calls are shortsighted and will do anything to meet immediate short term goals.

Imagine if every city in Japan was hit at once. Would those 2 cities have been rebuilt?

Also let’s not forget those bombs used in WW2 are a fraction of the strength of modern nukes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon

That doesn’t mean they are under their nuclear umbrella. Russia will not sacrifice itself for Iran

You misunderstand MAD. That applies between nuclear states. No one will be rushing to launch retaliatory nukes on Iran’s behalf.

Still fucked, and who knows maybe they have something capable of hitting Israel

The obvious fear is nukes. He has the authority to launch them, or to at least give the order to do so.

Scary stuff

A quality which you seem to lack

And right back around to the bad faith arguments.

Nuance is dead the world is black and white and either perfect or bad.

You know international law gets fuzzy with supplying weapons and money. Which is what the US was providing Israel. Now we have the US military attacking nations directly.

So let me be clear we wouldn’t have invaded Venezuela and we wouldn’t be invading Iran. Those are the war crimes.

And were not even getting into the domestic issues thse days, lots of death there too.

But yeah let’s focus on one thing and ignore all the other way worse direct involvement actions that never would have happened

25th won’t hold. The way the law is written seems to only apply to physical incapacitation. As soon as Trump delivers a statement saying he’s fine and presents himself he’d be president again. I suspect the Supreme Court would also support this literal interpretation. The amendment does not work well with mental decline unfortunately.

He must be impeached and removed from office by Congress.

No I’m absolutely confident you setup a gotcha, but I deprived you the chance to use it by refusing to engage in it.

No goalposts were moved, nice try though.

And yet you still choose to ignore the fallacy in setting up a morality test in the first place. Astonishing

I pointed out the ludicrousness of your morality arguements. You want to talk rhetorical fallacies you’ve created a character arguement and set yourself as the only judge.

You threw out the facts and changed the arguement to be about the commentors’ morality, as you perceive it.

Don’t pretend to care about fallacies when your own hypocrisy is pointed out

1. Organizations other than the CIA are capable of distributing food and vaccines

So you don’t care how many poor people die as long as “US bad”. I’m glad their lives are bargain chips to you

“You can only care about Gaza if you pass my morality test. Don’t worry no matter what you did, I’ll arbitrarily judge it as not enough.”

We had a canidate that wouldn’t be committing these war crimes.

But glad you’re happy that you can prove the US isn’t the good guy and it only cost Iranian lives