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Where’s Hannah Montana Linux?
Biebian, too.
Oh damn, I forgot to add HML to my list.
I miss RedStarOS, Suicide Linux (OK, not a distro) and TempleOS here as well.
Replace Haiku with TempleOS
EDIT: Also, put Windows in the top right corner to avoid the “is Microslop or Apple more corporate” discussion.
Wouldn’t TempleOS be more up and to the right a bit… ?
Just thinking about Terry’s political philosophy as advised by his theocratic religious leanings.
If this was the usual political compass and was about the creators, yes, it would be.
But TempleOS is so niche that I wonder if anyone actually daily drives it, open source, and was made by one person with zero corporate involvement. So yeah, it’s definitely bottom left here.
I had the same reaction to the Microslop vs Apple corporateness at first. But they kinda have a point as in that Apple controls the entire stack from hardware to os, while windows is just the os
while windows is just the os
They so very want to be just like apple in that reguard.
but they aren’t yet
Why is Cachy more independent than Arch?
Red Hat is based on Fedora, not the other way around.
From your own link, Fedora:
…is now the upstream source for CentOS Stream and Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
So yes, I’m pretty sure.
I don’t think “upstream provider for newer packages” is the same as “based on”. Fedora was developed from Red Hat, the image is correct in that sense. You can quote that part of the link but I specifically pointed to " It was originally developed in 2003 as a continuation of the Red Hat Linux project." so based on Red Hat.
Read the paragraph again. This time with your eyes.
It was originally developed in 2003 as a continuation of the Red Hat Linux project… It is now the upstream source for CentOS Stream and Red Hat Enterprise Linux.
Did you notice how it says “Red Hat Linux Project” and then goes on to say “Red Hat Enterprise Linux”?
This is because RHL != RHEL.
From the Hyperlink on the Wikipedia page for RHL:
Red Hat Linux was a widely used commercial open-source Linux distribution created by Red Hat until its discontinuation in 2004.
OP is correct. You are mistaken for thinking RHL was RHEL. It is not.
Yup, in fact the base of RHEL 10 and CentOS Stream 10 is Fedora 41. For RHEL 9 it was Fedora 34 if I remember correctly.
You are right, my mistake for mixing the two.
Okay buddy
Hmm, I don’t see how Corporate can be on a scale though. Either the distro is run by a corporation, or it’s not.
i think an OS can be made entirely by a corporation, or entirely by one hobbyist with no funding. something like fedora is made by volunteers with corporate funding, whereas something like Arch is made by volunteers with donations, some of which might be coming from corporate representatives
macos is very controlled. windows is closed source but an open system. runs on many devices.
The column where you have Debian, should all 6 cells be filled with Debian
I’d shift mint over one to the right and in its place slot Bazzite.
CachyOS being the same level as mainstream as Mint and Ubuntu is copium.
And somehow more “independent” than arch, when it’s based on arch?
Cachy is growing in popularity a lot. Negative publicity around Ubuntu is driving people to alternatives, and I’ve heard a lot of people are trying cachy as their first Linux distro.
People are trying cachy as their first Linux distro.
To anyone reading and thinking of switching:
DO NOT use CachyOS as your first distro. You will not like the experience, it was not made with total newbies in mind. It is Arch with a few bells and whistles, and you are not prepared to properly handle Arch, yet. You will get there later, if you want to.
Ironically, I think Arch might be a better first time distro than CachyOS, because if you’re willing to go through the manual installation process and learn from all the fuckups you’ll make, you can come out of it with the knowledge necessary to manage your install. Though of course I would only recommend it with the warning that your system will be mostly broken for a while and you’d be constantly figuring out and fixing things, so not a good idea if you need your computer working.
But it does seem like a nice distro for if you already know what you’re doing and want to save time getting things set up (and maybe those performance improvements are significant enough, I’ve seen people give big figures)
Agreed! If you want to get into the backbone of Linux systems from the get-go and have some level of technical expertise, Arch is a brilliant learning experience.
And if you already have the experience with Arch and just want to make your life easier, CachyOS or EndeavourOS are good options.
If I am used to Ubuntu, would I ever want to be on a rolling release?
Depends on your personal preferences!
Rolling release typically delivers the latest and greatest of Linux, which is kinda cool. It also removes all the headache of upgrading to a newer version and the possible issues stemming from that. You get to see the gradual evolution of your system, one feature at a time, and you don’t have to wait a month after a new version is released, just because some program you need is not properly ported yet.
On the other end, any update of the rolling release system can end up being somewhat breaking, so if you prefer setting aside time for managing your system instead of having a nasty surprise at the worst possible moment and at the same time want to have your system secure and updated at all times, classic model will be superior.
In both cases, properly set snapshots save a lot of trouble.
I wish there were Debian with Cachy-gaming features. Wonder if I could just do that myself? 🤔
Debian is probably a poor fit for a gaming-oriented distro, since gaming is constantly evolving in terms of hardware and software features.
Even if you put as much as possible into a container or a Flatpak, your drivers will be old, which is critical even for older hardware, particularly in new games.
If you want stability AND modern gaming, maybe go for something like Bazzite? The system is very stable thanks to immutability and atomic updates, and at the same time you have all the modern gaming stack.
I’m not a fan of immutable distros, and always having the latest drivers has never been an issue for me. Having a system that’s less likely to break after an update is a bit more critical when it comes to actually being able to spend time playing games.
But what I meant is that Debian has tools I can use to recompile my packages. I’m not aware of any reasons why I wouldn’t be able to rebuild my system to replicate the unique features of CachyOS myself if I wanted to put in the work. And at that point I could always start with Sid as a base as well, which would be just as bleeding edge as any rolling release distro.
Or, there is always Siduction as well.
Looked into Siduction - seems to be a small project operating over Debian Sid, which I call a recipe for disaster when actually deployed as a home system. Sid is not meant to be stable, and you’re unlikely to get much support. And a small community project is unlikely to patch everything faster than Debian itself.
Debian Sid should not be seen the same way as Arch or other rolling release distros - the former is supposed to be broken, a bug here and there is a non-issue at this point of Debian development lifecycle. Arch and others are expected to actually be used as end products, so critical bugs are rare.
I had some counters in mind to the things you’re saying here. But I don’t feel like bothering. So I will just say the big problem with everything you’re saying, is that you’re arguing against using Debian.
Meanwhile just last night Elden Ring on my Trixie desktop went brrrr.
Yeah, even Bazzite is less niche then CachyOS
yeah, trendy distros come and go, i’d hesitate to call it mainstream, even if a handful of youtubers make a video about it.
It’s the most popular single distro on ProtonDB now, so that’s something
It’s in an extremely good spot right now imo. Just installed it yesterday on pretty new hardware (upper mid-range), flawless experience
What’s the selling point on CachyOS? I use Pop os right now but I’m looking to swap to something new and I was never all that fond of Pop os. Before that I used Fedora which had an awful time running stable on my machine. Mostly I’m considering Debian
I think you’re missing quite a few like:
- z/OS it’s IBM’s mainframe OS, so super corporate and niche
- raspberry pi os should be included because it’s pretty mainstream
- android and iOS should be on there because they’re very mainstream, not technically desktop OSs but for a normie with a tablet what’s the difference?
- there’s a lot of embedded OSs that could be added (open WRT, Windows IoT, NetBSD)
- no Temple OS?
- free DOS?
- Whatever special ones they use for super mission critical stuff like the ISS
Technically, if you stop updating arch when it’s in a functional state it’ll never break.
agreed. thats where I went wrong with my poor ee-pc. I went 3 years without updating it and it worked like a charm, then decided to try and update it. every source was dead, including the keyring. Manually fixed the ring, half the packages failed to update even with valid sources. Had to disable all package verification.
I then made the mistake of “Well surly a fresh install will be easier than trying to fix this broken mess”… I have not had a functional wifi management service since. None of them support the system anymore as the arch was discontinued officially a few years ago, and the only way I can connect to wifi now is via command line without network memory or saving.
the only way I can connect to wifi now is via command line
On the plus side, you’ll look like a super-leet haxor to your friends when you do this in front of them. Be sure to say, “Okay, I’m in” once it connects.
agreed! I just wish that I didn’t need to do 6 commands to actually connect to wifi!
I mean, you can put them in a script and bind it to a hotkey, no?
That’s…a very Arch approach
Presumably they can also make it run at startup.
But I’m just suggesting a solution for the existing situation, not saying that the distro should work this way.
Sure thing, I was just joking around. This should solve the issue. Although it’s still weird that this issue exists in the first place.
I Actually had attempted to do that via a service, It didn’t work. And at that point, I had spent a few hours trying to get it connected to the internet alone so I was already frustrated and was happy enough that it was able to at least connect again. Telling myself I’ll go back to it later. Guess what never happend 🦊
When I bother testing it again, I will attempt to fix the service for it. Although in a perfect world it would be nice to have it remember passwords that way the startup is just having it connect to the already saved network, but I don’t believe that’s going to get fixed any time soon.
You might be right and binding it to a key binding may end up being the easier route.
The service probably either starts too early, or doesn’t have access to the desktop session (idk if the latter would be necessary for the script). You can try putting the script into autostarting applications for the user’s session, typically via a .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart — e.g. by copying a file from /usr/share/applications and adjusting it.
I have been really trying to avoid implementing it into the user session, it requires superuser to run the commands and I don’t like the concept of hardcoding sudo paths using nopasswd
But I probably will end up having to do something similar in the user environment.
edit: Now that I think about it, I could probably just make the command path to the network command be authorized as no password on any user as I don’t really see a situation where the user logged in shouldn’t be able to manipulate the network it’s connected to.
How is Windows less corporate than MacOS or ChromeOS?
Based on the image, it seems like the argument is that Windows can be installed on a larger variety of devices than the other two
Yeah, but Microsoft shouldn’t get credit for that. Windows only works with everything, because everything got built around it.
Drivers are needed for every little bit of hardware, Intel very well might not have become the dominant architecture if Microsoft hadn’t picked it in the 80s.
but then it should be “restricted” at top, and not “corporate”?
GUIX top left
- dictates to the OS how it has to be
- requires a lot of reading theory
- no ties to anduril
nixOS top right
- dictates to the OS how it has to be
- recruits people snatchers
Edit: Ah I missed the axes are not labeled like the common political compass. Nvm then. Put NixOS above RHEL and guix above arch.
NixOS is definitely not as corporate as MacOS or ChromeOS. It’s also not as mainstream as RHEL. I’d say RHEL should be one square to the right, NixOS should go where RHEL is now, and Guix should share the square with Gentoo.
Why isn’t openSUSE included in that table?
I’d put Haiku on the extreme top left corner (or in one of the two rows below that first column) since it’s based on BeOS - it’s a corporate OS wether it exits or not and it intends to replicate said corporate OS. In its place I’d put either TempleOS or Plan9.
TempleOS. Oh jeez it’s been awhile since I’ve heard that.
If you ask me, the top left corner belongs to IBM i.
Where does PopOS go?
