Okay you are ready to take a stand for freedom!
You are going to use an OS that isn’t going to bend the knee and comply with age verification laws. I solute you, comrade!
Here are the likely consequences of your choice:
The Feds aren’t coming after you. You aren’t going to be out on a watch list.
What will likely happen is that if you try to log into your Facebook account you will get a message that says “Your Operating System is not currently supported. Your user experience will be limited to Groups labeled “Everyone”.”
That’s basically it. Your personal user experience will be limited to “kid friendly” areas of the Internet. (Same with apps and games.)
That’s the real driver of these laws. Facebook and other app producers know that the days where they can just shrug off child predators using their products is coming to and end. Regardless of your opinion on age verification is as a solution, child predators are a real world problem and it’s not just the parents fault. The platforms have some responsibility too.
Which is exactly what Facebook and the others specifically don’t want -responsibility for their own platforms. That’s why they are pushing for these laws that off load their responsibility onto the OS makers. Then they can just say “Oh, we don’t have any responsibility for this child being abused in our platform. We asked the OS what the user’s age was and the OS reported 18+. What else could we have done?”
So, that’s the consequence if you choose to use an OS that refuses to comply. You’ll just be relegated to the kid friendly version of website, games, and applications.
(On the other hand, if your OS chooses to falsely report to a website or an app an age for a child that is abused, then the OS should also be held responsible. But at that point you can go ahead and blame the parents too for letting their child use an OS that isn’t safe for them to use.)
It was literally never about the children
There is a lawyer’s wet dream of evidence against thousands of real-world non-speculative child rapists and abusers with names, phones, emails, and literal video evidence and written admissions of guilt of systematic rape, torture, abuse, and child sex trafficking that are legally usable in court.
What has been done about it?
Not one. Single. Arrest. Because the guys implementing the tracking are the same ones raping and torturing children.
This is not a policy or tool to protect children.
This is a way for the exact same sadist pedophiles to track children’s identities so that they can use that plus data broker data to figure out what kids are most vulternable and target them to be raped, tortured, and abused.
I diagree. Look at Privacy Policies and ToS. They are extremely invasive. Basically they say more or less “we will do whatever we want”. Why? Because no one reads them or cares, and they want to CYA in any and all situations. Now picture you want to navigate to a website, but the website creator is afraid that, one way or another, some adult content may find it’s way their website, so what do they do? Age-gate it. And now they’ve shirked any responsibility for such content. Every god damn website, the entire internet, will be age-gated. Not just Facebook and Reddit. Children and privacy-concerned adults will not be able to access the internet. And no one will care. That’s where we’re headed.
I’m not sure what you are disagreeing with. That’s generally what I said. If you use a non-compliant OS, your experience will be “age-gated”.
Though I don’t think they will completely block access entirely. Collecting data on kids is extremely valuable to these companies, because kids grow up to be consumers. They will happily continue to let you in, but you won’t be able to go to the 18+ areas.
That’s basically it. Your personal user experience will be limited to “kid friendly” areas of the Internet.
I’m disagreeing with this. I’m saying there will be no “kid-friendly” areas of the internet, outside of areas that are explicitly for children.
I don’t understand. There will still be porn sites for people.
The way it will work is that when you tell your browser to go to a porn site, the site will ask your Bowser for your verified age. Your browser will then ask your OS for your verified age. Your OS will respond “18+” to your browser. Your browser will tell the porn site “the OS says 18+”. Then the porn site will say “Cool, here’s the porn.” That’s it.
If you use a non-compliant OS, then your browser will say to the porn site “I asked the OS and the OS says ‘null’.” Then the porn site will say, “Well sorry. Then your OS isn’t supported. Come back when you are using a supported OS.”
That’s it.
I don’t understand.
That’s obvious.
The browsers sooner or later will always respond “18+” and do not ask the OS.
… And if a kid using that browser was abused because the browser lied to the website about the users’ age, then the browser’s creators should bare some consequences for lying to the website that otherwise would have put up protections. Right?
No, absoluetly not. Because the whole thing is notnto protect the children, but to gather more data.
Do you also believe that the Boy Scouts and the Catholic Church also have no responsibility to protect kids, because doing to would similarly require collecting data on people?
(I would disagree with you if you said yes, but I’ll respect your position for being consistent.)
Ever heard of parents? It’s not the job of the OS or the browserto monitor and control a kids internet access.
In most jurisdictions you need to be an adult to legally get an Internet access.
So people using the Internet are either adults or under the supervision of adults.
It’s not the job of the [Catholic Church] or the [Boy Scouts] to monitor and control a kids access.
Yes it is. It absolutely is. If you provide a service, you should responsible for the safety of that service, especially if you are providing and advertising that service to kids.
child predators are a real world problem
I cannot emphasize this enough - I absolutely do not care what your children do on the Internet.
I know you don’t. And you don’t have to. No one is forcing you to care. No law anywhere threatens any legal liability on the user.
But it’s because providers of games and online platforms don’t care that governments are having to pass laws to force organizations producing these products to care.
(Which is also why Meta is pushing these laws so hard, so that it becomes someone else’s legal responsibility to care.)
Nope. The stats show that most child predators are either someone known to the child already, or other minors who don’t know better. ‘Stranger danger’ is a moral panic that is not rooted in reality.
Yes, that is common.
But just Google child predators in video games.
If you want to make a point…present a real source not a vague hint to google.
What is the issue? Do you mean NPC predators in games? Probably should be 18+ rated then…If you mean multiplayer…no age bucket check will prevent predators on the servers…
There is such thing as parental responsibility, if someone just lets their child consume higher rated media online without any discurse its a parental failure.
What is next? Does the blueray player need to verify with photoID that everyone in the room is older than the movies rating?
