Clarifying is reasonable and necessary. Especially since 2023, I’ve been called an anti semite a bunch of times for supporting Palestine, but I’ve also been in conversations where someone tries to slip in “you know, maybe this is why (((they))) keep getting persecuted.”
People are absolutely using antizionism as a cover for antisemitism, but they’re also using antisemitism as a scold to prevent people from standing up for Palestinians.
It’s rarer definitely, but I think that might be because it’s normally obvious enough that I can automatically recognize it. For people who want to defend Israel, it’s harder to tell if they’re just really brainwashed (tbf I live in, but was not raised in Germany, and the emphasis placed by the school system on supporting Israel very noticeable as an outsider) or antimuslim. In iffier situations, I tend to ask, because there’s no worse feeling than agreeing with someone for a whole conversation and then realizing they’re a Nazi. I’m not agreeing with the people defending Israel, so that doesn’t happen the other way around.
Your rhetoric is like if there was an article in lemmy about ISIS and it’s influence in the Islamic word and then someone start talking about Islamophobic people use rightful criticism and condemnation of ISIS to spread islamophobia . The Israel lobbies is definitely influencing multiple countries , just because antisemite would use the same statements doesn’t mean antizionist should not use the same statements. The whole difference is in the intentions and motivations .
I’m not saying you shouldn’t identify the Zionist system as Jewish supremacy. I’m saying that it’s reasonable to ask someone who’s talking about a group but not naming it whether they mean Jews or zionists.
Clarifying is reasonable and necessary. Especially since 2023, I’ve been called an anti semite a bunch of times for supporting Palestine, but I’ve also been in conversations where someone tries to slip in “you know, maybe this is why (((they))) keep getting persecuted.”
People are absolutely using antizionism as a cover for antisemitism, but they’re also using antisemitism as a scold to prevent people from standing up for Palestinians.
99% it’s used as their slander weapon.
I rarely come across genuine antisemitism, even in the sewer that is X
It’s rarer definitely, but I think that might be because it’s normally obvious enough that I can automatically recognize it. For people who want to defend Israel, it’s harder to tell if they’re just really brainwashed (tbf I live in, but was not raised in Germany, and the emphasis placed by the school system on supporting Israel very noticeable as an outsider) or antimuslim. In iffier situations, I tend to ask, because there’s no worse feeling than agreeing with someone for a whole conversation and then realizing they’re a Nazi. I’m not agreeing with the people defending Israel, so that doesn’t happen the other way around.
Your rhetoric is like if there was an article in lemmy about ISIS and it’s influence in the Islamic word and then someone start talking about Islamophobic people use rightful criticism and condemnation of ISIS to spread islamophobia . The Israel lobbies is definitely influencing multiple countries , just because antisemite would use the same statements doesn’t mean antizionist should not use the same statements. The whole difference is in the intentions and motivations .
I’m not saying you shouldn’t identify the Zionist system as Jewish supremacy. I’m saying that it’s reasonable to ask someone who’s talking about a group but not naming it whether they mean Jews or zionists.