No, there are Christians who are Zionists entirely for their own purposes. They’re mostly outside of Israel, and their Zionism is based on (a) encouraging the Jews to go to Israel, which means they leave the places where the Christians are, and more importantly (b) to fulfill a Biblical prophesy where the Jews all returning to Israel is a precondition to start Armageddon, which is in turn necessary to allow the Christians to be “raptured.”
Don’t presume that everyone who wants Israel to exist actually gives a flying fuck about Jews, because a lot of them don’t.
While true, Israel as a settler-colony is still based on Jewish supremacy. You basically said it yourself. They’re mostly outside of Israel (of which the vast majority of Christian Zionists live in the US)
The most recent Basic Law passed in 2018; “Israel as the Nation State of the Jewish People”,[6] states in chapter 1C: “The realization of the right to national self-determination in the State of Israel is exclusive to the Jewish People.”[7] This law was criticized by some ethnic groups in Israel, including by some Israeli Druze.[8]
Zionism is by definition Jewish Supremacy. Just like how Apartheid South Africa had White Supremacy.
Christians in the USA supporting it doesn’t change that. US Christians aren’t the victims of Zionism, Palestinian Christians are. Just like how Black Christians in South Africa suffered under Apartheid supporting Christians.
No it literally is not! Zionism is a movement specifically to return the Jews to “Zion;” the nationalism aspect is at least as central to the concept as the racism is. Zionism is about the Jews GTFO of the US and Europe and everywhere else, and being in Israel and only Israel. Having Jews be in charge of the place once they got there was important in terms of motivating them to go, but it had pretty much fuck-all to do with the non-Jewish Zionists’ motivations in wanting them gone!
Christian Zionists outside Israel are not Jewish supremacists. They are using the Jews. (And they don’t care about “Holy Land Christians” either, BTW. They’re just brown nobodies to the US evangelicals actually driving this shit.)
By the way: Israel has a population of under 10 million people. There are about 10 times as many evangelical Christians in the US alone, and almost all of them are, if not invested in the Zionist cause, at least supportive of it. Again, for the entirely selfish reason that they wanna get “Raptured,” not because they give a shit about Jews. If you’re talking about “Zionists,” you are talking mostly about non-Israelis and non-Jews.
IDGAF what “Israeli basic law” says; it is not the be-all and end-all of what Zionism means! The vast majority of Zionists have zero connection to “Israeli basic law!”
A “‘Jewish’ settler colony” itself is Jewish-supremacist, but it does not follow that supporting the creation of such a thing would also necessarily be so. Non-Jews support the creation of Israel because it removes Jews from their Christian-supremacist countries.
How many more times does this have to be explained before you finally get it through your skull?
You’re basically trying to claim that 100 million evangelical Christian Zionists are somehow self-hating Jewish supremacists, which is pants-on-head moronic.
Nobody’s disputing that! What people are disputing is your weird objection to the contrapositive!
(That contrapositive being analogous to “just because apartheid South Africa was a white supremacist project doesn’t mean that everyone who supported it was a white supremacist.”)
But that just goes to show that your analogy to South African apartheid is bad, because frankly, white supremacy was more-or-less the only reason to support it. With Zionism, yes, obviously the segregation part is the same – which, again, literally nobody was disputing to begin with, except in your imagination apparently! – but Zionism has the additional characteristic of fulfilling Christian death-cult bullshit. There weren’t a whole bunch of rando non-white people outside South Africa campaigning for all the white people to move there so that they (the randos) would have benefited in some way. But with Zionism, that sort of thing is a huge factor in it.
No, there are Christians who are Zionists entirely for their own purposes. They’re mostly outside of Israel, and their Zionism is based on (a) encouraging the Jews to go to Israel, which means they leave the places where the Christians are, and more importantly (b) to fulfill a Biblical prophesy where the Jews all returning to Israel is a precondition to start Armageddon, which is in turn necessary to allow the Christians to be “raptured.”
Don’t presume that everyone who wants Israel to exist actually gives a flying fuck about Jews, because a lot of them don’t.
How dare you speak like that of our former president?
While true, Israel as a settler-colony is still based on Jewish supremacy. You basically said it yourself. They’re mostly outside of Israel (of which the vast majority of Christian Zionists live in the US)
Israeli basic law is very clear about this
Yeah but this conversation wasn’t about Israelis; it was about Zionists. This is the claim you were responding to:
Note the grand total of zero mentions of Israel in that paragraph.
Zionism is by definition Jewish Supremacy. Just like how Apartheid South Africa had White Supremacy.
Christians in the USA supporting it doesn’t change that. US Christians aren’t the victims of Zionism, Palestinian Christians are. Just like how Black Christians in South Africa suffered under Apartheid supporting Christians.
No it literally is not! Zionism is a movement specifically to return the Jews to “Zion;” the nationalism aspect is at least as central to the concept as the racism is. Zionism is about the Jews GTFO of the US and Europe and everywhere else, and being in Israel and only Israel. Having Jews be in charge of the place once they got there was important in terms of motivating them to go, but it had pretty much fuck-all to do with the non-Jewish Zionists’ motivations in wanting them gone!
Christian Zionists outside Israel are not Jewish supremacists. They are using the Jews. (And they don’t care about “Holy Land Christians” either, BTW. They’re just brown nobodies to the US evangelicals actually driving this shit.)
By the way: Israel has a population of under 10 million people. There are about 10 times as many evangelical Christians in the US alone, and almost all of them are, if not invested in the Zionist cause, at least supportive of it. Again, for the entirely selfish reason that they wanna get “Raptured,” not because they give a shit about Jews. If you’re talking about “Zionists,” you are talking mostly about non-Israelis and non-Jews.
I just quoted you Israeli basic law… The entire project of Zionism is creating a “Jewish” settler colony. Not a Christian one.
Everything you just wrote is irrelevant nonsense.
How many more times does this have to be explained before you finally get it through your skull?
You’re basically trying to claim that 100 million evangelical Christian Zionists are somehow self-hating Jewish supremacists, which is pants-on-head moronic.
Non-white people supported Apartheid South Africa but that doesn’t mean Apartheid South Africa wasn’t a white supremacist project.
Nobody’s disputing that! What people are disputing is your weird objection to the contrapositive!
(That contrapositive being analogous to “just because apartheid South Africa was a white supremacist project doesn’t mean that everyone who supported it was a white supremacist.”)
But that just goes to show that your analogy to South African apartheid is bad, because frankly, white supremacy was more-or-less the only reason to support it. With Zionism, yes, obviously the segregation part is the same – which, again, literally nobody was disputing to begin with, except in your imagination apparently! – but Zionism has the additional characteristic of fulfilling Christian death-cult bullshit. There weren’t a whole bunch of rando non-white people outside South Africa campaigning for all the white people to move there so that they (the randos) would have benefited in some way. But with Zionism, that sort of thing is a huge factor in it.