Both of you maybe? Why did Democrat took it personally anyway?
i felt embarassed trying to be a centrist at one point because i figured i should move where their goal posts were. they’re trying to normalize shifting goalposts and they know it. unfortunately there’s no actual social punishment for this.
As “the other side” don’t speak for me. I want guillotines and a substantial redistribution of wealth until we no longer have billionaires.
Which side is telling us that these are the sides. I’m not disagreeing with either of the sides but I kind of feel like there’s chirality to every political opinion.
Obviously the republicans are genuinely terrible people
But I’ll give you an equivalence that actually holds up
Both parties have their snouts in the trough and depend on huge levels of external funding which completely undermines your democracy
That is a problem that needs to be fixed
OK, fix it when the government isn’t on a bloodhunt for transgender people, to start with.
it feels like these are a bunch of buzzwords to likefarm instead of actually saying anything. No, i don’t think the average republican / American is fully unprejudiced and benevolent. but to say an entire half of the country wants slavery back is nonsense
It’s the bottom half, if that helps.
ITT: a lot of people pretending there’s more than one side
It’s wild how often both sides gets used to blur real differences.
Real, lasting change isn’t going to happen instantly and with a minimal of effort.
Movements have to be built, leaders have to be cultivated. These things take time. Mistakes will be made. There will be times when you do everything right but still there are setbacks. If you want your working-class peers to represent your ideals in government, you have to support them. You have to be willing to let them learn, you have to help them out financially and strategically. Because otherwise, the vast majority of them can’t compete against billionaires and their favored picks.
Voting alone is not enough in today’s climate. Angrily typing at each other and posting furious videos blaming everybody but ourselves is not enough. You continue to do the same but expect different results – you’re going to be disappointed.
Buh, buh, buh, buh, buh MY candidate didn’t win their primary. Guess what? You’ve got at least 2 more years to build a movement around people who reflect your values and represent you. You can’t snap your fingers and expect the world to revolve around you instantly. Winning takes time, planning, strategy, organizing, money, and so much more. There is no quick fix strategy, and I guarantee you that even if literally every single thing from this moment forward goes exactly right and exactly your way, it’s still going to be the better part of a decade (or longer) before there’s any chance of arriving where you want to be. This isn’t a sprint. It’s not even a marathon. Making progress means you have to keep going.
The discouraging part isn’t that it’s going to take a long time.
The discouraging part is that the majority of people need to be convinced that they should treat others like human beings.
both sides are bad. One is just infinitely worse.
People refusing to vote for the lesser of two evils is what got us the worse evil!
Blaming voters is just another way of wishing reality was different. Lots of people are telling you exactly how they are going to act but you are asking those without power to accommodate those with power. That’s a choice and it says a lot about how you perceive power and it’s authority.
People refusing to vote for the lesser of two evils is what got us the worse evil!
What are you even talking about? Biden got elected and enabled the modern-day holocaust lol. There is no “lesser evil”, there are many heads to the same hydra: capitalism.
well fuck me for prioritizing the genocides happening in my own country over the genocides happening on the other side of the planet.
edit: responded to the wrong comment, but the one I meant to respond to was also by you so I’m leaving it.
What’s happening in America is terrible but if you’re comparing it to what is happening in Palestine as being even close to equivalent, you are a chronically out-of-touch and overprivileged liberal.
Uhh yeah Biden bad but things would be less bad if Harris had won, doesn’t make her good, what point are you trying to make
Less bad for you, maybe. Ask the people murdered by the Genocide Joe - Holocaust Harris administration if things would’ve been better for them. Ask the survivors if Harris being elected will bring back their dead family.
The point I’m trying to make is that you are unconsciously a white supremacist (yes, even if you are not white) who is willing to sign your name off to endorse the ethnic-based mass-murder of brown people overseas in order to protect your own privilege and comfort. That’s “lesser evil”. Try fighting all evil instead.
Aside from all that, Harris promised the “most lethal” military in the world - that means one thing, “killing the most people” - so on top of addressing your weak, white supremacist premise, I’m going to have to disagree with your weak liberal conclusion as well.
Thank you for having critical thinking skills and the patience to actually type it out for people who most likely won’t even bother to read it in good faith.
lol yeah I used to do audio transcription so I have like a ~100 WPM typing rate… I can waste some internet words
I have neuropathy that has affected my fingers, my PC is set up on a coffee table in a corner cause that’s the only space I have for it, and I usually only browse through Boost on my phone anyways. So, typing things out is a pain and I usually just point to authors and books to read.
A lot of world class dipshits on this very platform think both sides are equal. Getting pretty tired of reading
“Both sides are fascist, one’s just more open about it.”
Stupidest fucking sentiment I’ve ever had the displeasure of reading. Absolute lack of education and critical thinking skills to say shit like that.
The lack of critical thinking skills is when people cannot understand that one side is fascist and the other enables the fascists.
To many leftist, capitalist imperialism is just fascism in disguise, and they are entirely correct.
I don’t think they’re both equal, they’re certainly both shit.
How do you measure the quality of shit?
Let’s just say I wouldn’t let Maxine Waters or Mitch McConnell watch my dog
If “shittiness” was a binary, they’d definitely the same. However, in the real world it’s a spectrum that looks more like:
Beautiful!
Now, add some marionette strings to both parties, connect those strings to a billionaire’s hand and it will be a perfect representation!
“Everyone” being… everyone in Europe?
The average American I come across (at least online) very vocally can’t be arsed. I don’t mean in a general sense, I mean even in a left AF space like Lemmy, the average American user will argue up and down why a revolution in the US right now just “isn’t feasible” and “we’re all one paycheck away-” as repeated justification for kowtowing. I guess I get it, after all remember how no one ever revolted in France because they were all one loaf away from starvation?
Oh, wait a minute.
The only ways for us to truly revolt, I think, would be to A. Storm the Capital like the right did, or B. Take over each individual state capital to freeze the government and seize control.
But even then, the military and police could wipe anything out if most are not on our side.
A. Storm the Capital like the right did
What? And then what? They didn’t know what to do either, they took selfies and stole stuff and pissed in drawers or whatever. The country can function juuuust fine without access to the Capitol.
B. Take over each individual state capital to freeze the government and seize control.
Stranger, what kind of fantasyland are you living in? Do you think real life works like Domination in Call of Duty where you win if you hold all the points? Protestors could take the Capitol in Sacramento and most of California wouldn’t even notice.
Our power is in our status as the working class, not in taking over government buildings. Taking over your nearest Starbucks would unironically be more effective at changing the trajectory of the country.
Think less “Capitol” and more “capital”.
True. So what would you suggest? Taking over corporate headquarters and places like Wall Street?
I’m afraid it’s nothing that immediate or glorious (not yet anyway, but really, probably not for my generation… I’m 30. Maybe by the time the current youth are 30 we can have a shot.)
Americans are too disorganized to effectively exercise working class power, and too exploited to effectively organize. So you have to attack that reality from every front, many of which are mundane but essential.
Fighting exploitation primarily entails making things less expensive. The legal system will not save us, nor will electoral politics, though local politics are often worth the time. You can make it less expensive for people to raise children by watching their kids for them. You can make it less expensive for people to eat by growing food for them or cooking for them. You can make your own existence less expensive by buying used goods wherever possible and viable, and generally buying less consumer goods. I’ve had the same laptop for like 13 years, the same sunglasses for 15 years, the same shoes for 5 or 6 years, the same car for 5 or 6 years (with no plans to replace it).
All that money I didn’t need is time I didn’t need to spend working, which in turn frees me up to organize and just fuckin exist a little bit, which makes life more worth living, which makes you more motivated to fight for it. Add a little compassion / empathy to that mix, and it makes you more motivated to fight for other people too.
Then organizing looks different for everyone, but a good place to start is with (especially non-religious) organizations dedicated to feeding or otherwise serving the homeless, or environmental cleanup groups, or if none of that exists, just getting some friends together and doing something to improve where you live. Literally anything to make things better for those around you is how it starts.
You’re skipping ahead, which is fine, we’ve all been there and we all wish we could accelerate things. But if we had the power to take over corporate offices to any level which would cause a real economic impact or actually threaten the safety of shareholders / executives, then they would already fear us too much to be fucking us over the way they are.
No matter the choice, the streets will run red, and lives lost, if such a thing were to happen.
Such a thing SHOULD have happened on Jan 6.
“I wish my fascist government had massacred the other group of stupid working class people”
shitlib take
Sorry princess, it wasnt a peaceful tour, no matter what your semi-sentient olestra stain wannabe-god says.
What? Jan 6thers were violent (if inept) insurrectionists, I just don’t care what they attempted to do to a genocidal capitalist empire built on stolen land.
Rooting for either side makes you a loser.
The “both sides” crew somehow thinks the side that supports unions and civil rights and voting rights and due process and raising the minimum wage and not constantly starting wars is equal to the side that wants the opposite of all of that, and the tankies here think liberals are much worse, because tankies are just closet fascists that think yellow looks better on a red background than black and white.
The side that “supports unions” has resulted in unions falling from 40 to 10% of the workforce since the 1970s (and most of those left are government)
The side that supports “raising minimum wage” refuses to raise minimum wage for almost 20 years… and the last wage increase was abominable.
The side against “constantly starting wars” constantly starts wars.
The side that supports civil rights is just fine with The Patriot Act, which they voted to pass and continue to use and expand.
It’s like you don’t even read what you write, it’s programmed and automatic.
And that’s the problem.
Don’t forget Joe Biden also overriding the ability of railway workers to strike, and Gavin Newsom vetoing unemployment pay for striking workers.
Anyone who thinks Democrats are “pro worker” is huffing their own fart gas.
Honestly, I thought the added “difficulty” of using Lemmy would keep idiots like that off this platform, but apparently not. Or foreign agents/bots are infiltrating Lemmy. Probably a combination of both.
If you look at both sides and think “same”, you need to acknowledge you are not an intelligent or informed individual and you need to work on your education.
They’re obviously not the same…
However, they are both anti-union and pro-corporate
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the “media” doesn’t “think” they all just push their current agenda
