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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Canada@lemmy.caEnglish · 2 days ago

Stop defending yourself

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Stop defending yourself

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Canada@lemmy.caEnglish · 2 days ago
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  • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
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    Let’s not defend evil just because another evil bonked it on the head, shall we?

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    Iran doesn’t need USA to kill their people. Iran killed Thousands of Iranian protesters themselves before the war.

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    Reminder Iran is one of the few countries on par with North Korea

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    This post and particularly the ml comnents are again the worst propaganda: low quality, sowing division, inciting anger - it’s the propagandists’ recipe to destroy a community.

    The Raoul Wallenberg Centre For Human Rights welcomes Canada’s recent announcement of additional sanctions against the Iranian regime

    The announced sanctions target individuals and entities with ties to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corp’s weapons production and transfers of arms and technology to malign actors, including to Russia for use in its war against Ukraine.

    Canada must now address the Islamic Republic of Iran’s escalating domestic repression and flagrant human rights abuses.

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      It really does and it skewers even my perspective. It’s important to note what they’re doing.

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      Canada has no right to talk about human rights after the first Nations and residential schools.

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        We’re too shitty to put an end to shitty things?

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        I mean, isn’t the whole point of Truth and Reconciliation to talk about human rights and action that promotes it moving forward?

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          And then send weapons to Israel so it can commit genocide in Gaza.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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      A reminder that Scotty here is projecting as usual since spreading racist propaganda to sow hatred and division is his specialty. https://lemmy.ml/post/39655060

      Canada, which practices literal slavery according to the UN and runs an apartheid state where First Nations rights are not respected, has no business sanctioning other countries on human rights, and should instead address grave human rights concerns domestically:

      • UN expert sounds alarm over ‘contemporary forms of slavery’ in Canada https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/09/1140437
      • Canada’s temporary foreign worker scheme ‘inherently exploitative’: Amnesty International https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/30/canadas-temporary-foreign-worker-scheme-inherently-exploitative-amnesty
      • ‘This is the new slavery’: Migrant farm workers underpaid, abused and injured https://ijb.utoronto.ca/news/this-is-the-new-slavery-migrant-farm-workers-underpaid-abused-and-injured/
      • Systemic racial discrimination via discriminatory funding causing “Millennium Scoop” class action certified; long-term reform negotiations ongoing. https://decisions.chrt-tcdp.gc.ca/chrt-tcdp/decisions/en/item/521231/index.do?iframe=true
      • Indigenous patients face discrimination, abuse, and wait times up to 20 hours for emergency care. https://www.ndpcaucus.sk.ca/first_nations_health_ombudsman_report_another_sign_sask_party_is_failing_first_nations_people_in_the_north
      • https://www.bchrt.bc.ca/law-library/decisions/recent/2025-bchrt-258/
      • Crisis fueled by human trafficking linked to resource extraction “man camps”; systemic inaction continues. https://afn.ca/all-news/press-releases/assembly-of-first-nations-afn-releases-2025-progress-report-on-missing-and-murdered-indigenous-women-and-girls-mmiwg-calls-for-justice-highlighting-human-trafficking-crisis/#to-top
      • https://manitobachiefs.com/press_releases/new-report-confirms-mmiwg2s-crisis-is-fuelled-by-human-trafficking-and-inaction/
      • Failure to legislate a human right to safe water and diversion of settlement funds from critical services. https://siksikanation.com/carney-government-reaches-new-low-on-first-nation-safe-drinking-water/
      • UNDRIP ignored in project approvals; Aboriginal title affirmed over private property, creating legal tension. https://www.firstpeopleslaw.com/public-education/blog/2025-indigenous-rights-year-in-review
      • massi1008@lemmy.world
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        Ah yes, love me some whataboutism 😊

      • ProudCanadianCitizen@lemmy.ca
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        Same arguments can be used to counter the anti-Chinese inflammatory comments being used to deny China-Canada trade.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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          As they should be.

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    What some people mentioned really makes the point: Sanctioning Iran makes sense, but if we’re truly doing it to be good people then there should be sanctions on Israel and Saudi Arabia and other places as well. It’s not Iran being the target that’s the problem, it’s all the people that aren’t targets. The US is literally a violent neighbour who has expressly stated that they want to hurt us and who is doing so many blatantly evil things to not only its own citizens and immigrants but even to our people who are there and Carney’s on his knees for them.

    • Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      If we sanctioned the US for blockading Cuba I would be so damned happy, but people would lose jobs and whichever politician pushed for it would be strung up and flogged.

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    The Iranian government can go fuck itself. Put more sanctions on their asses.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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      ^ this fascist wants to starve children https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(25)00189-5/fulltext

      • minorkeys@lemmy.world
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        ^ this idiot wants to pretend we live in a fantasy land

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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          Ah yes, a world where Canada doesn’t starve children is a fantasy land, you are so very intelligent.

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            Is Canada starving children?

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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              Canada largely follows the US sanctions policy, and while there’s no research on the effects of Canadian sanctions specifically, we can infer their effect based on the studies of US sanctions. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(25)00189-5/fulltext

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                Such rigorous inferment

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    And then there is Cuba. Conundrum after conundrum. Oh for the good old days when you could tell the bad guys from the good without a playlist.

    Wait, in the ‘good old days’, there was Vietnam.

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    Not sure what to make of this. I think it’s either an attempt to placate someone, perhaps the Canadian Iranian diaspora to keep things calm domestically, or they think that there’s a real possibility for the IR to fall under the weight of more sanctions. The latter seems so unrealistic though.

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      More simply, just kowtowing to the US.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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      Just seems to be another case of Carney crawling further up Trump’s ass.

  • AlexLost@lemmy.world
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    Yes, unlike America, who just bombs them and pretends they are “in talks”

    • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world
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      no noo no nono noooo… we invite them to talks, then bomb them.

      the ol switcharoooo

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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    Just because the US launched one of the stupidest and least planned wars in a century, does not make the Iranian government good.

    Just two months ago they were killing thousands of protestors.

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      Just two months ago they were killing thousands of protestors.

      If they killed thousands in a few days, how many were killed during 4 weeks of US bombing?

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        Both are bad. Neither should have/be happening.

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          Only going to sanction one of the perpetrators though. The other we won’t even condemn. We are just desperate to stay business partners with them.

          Principled when pragmatic, but not principled if not pragmatic. That’s what we call “principled pragmatism.”

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      The saudi regime is as bad we don’t have any sanction on them. Israel is doing the worst crime in humanity a fucking genocide we don’t have sanctions on the state itself. Any kind of sanctions in the war makes it harder for iran to defend itself for being genocided too. So please stop with your hypocrisy

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        OK they should be sanctioned too then. Next question?

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        The Saudi regime is our problematic ally. Iran is Russia’s. Except Russia doesn’t care whatsoever what Iran does to their own people.

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          Canada do not care either whatsoever what Iran does to their people and neither that Israel do the whole region. Israel is calling Iranians amalek like they did with IGazans meaning they want to genocide Iranians. That would be millions of dead Iranians not just thousands . The us/israel already bombed dozens of schools, hospitals and cultural sites

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        Ah, but the Saudi regime has dumptrucks full of money.

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      And just because the Iranian government is an ass doesn’t give America the right to bomb them. Or why don’t they go after every other country whose government does bad things. Sorry in this case the US is the “bad guy”.

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        And Israel.

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          I’m basically watching 3 “bad guys” beat on each other. You can’t be sure who you want to cheer on, or complain about more than the other. It’s a strange feeling, to be sure.

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      Yes, but have you considered the world is perfectly split into good and bad guys? /s

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      Iran was being sanctioned before the attack too. A lot of people act like any enemy of Trump is their ally, but this is not so.

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        With the express and publicly stated purpose to bring so much physical economic pain to the people so that they revolt against the gov’t.

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          The alternative is to trade with the totalitarian regime, which serves to keep them in power. If you could support the people but not the regime then of course that would be the best course of action, but that is not how it works.

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            We are trading wit an tolitarian regime called saudi arabia. It is not of canada goddamn business to force iraninas to take out their own regime. It ia not like Iran want to attack Canada.

            We all know all the sanctions are there simply because Iran was made an enemy of the usa and israel

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            You should check how sanctions are affecting the people of Iran and in general what outcomes regime-change sanctions have produced around the world. Also check under what conditions better governments emerge out of worse ones. Hint: it tends not to be under severe sanctions.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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        Nobody is claiming that. This is just an idiotic straw man. You don’t have to support the government in Iran to understand that invading countries is wrong. What the fuck is wrong with you people?

        • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
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          Why? Borders are imaginary.

          Marx knew that.

          • mrdown@lemmy.world
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            I am not a tankie and I have the same opinion cna you provide a real argument now?

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              Mmm, I recognise you. Pretty sure you are.

              But sure: Borders are imaginary. True, yes? Then why does crossing them change whether an action is right or wrong.

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                I never said borders are imaginary

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                  I know.

                  You want to rebut that, then?

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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            that must’ve sounded really clever in your head

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              Am I wrong? You definitely can’t see or touch them.

              The USSR also initiated a few invasions.

              • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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                Not only are you wrong, but you’re also exposing yourself as having any capacity for critical thought. If you bothered actually reading Marx, then you’d know that he never argued for abolishing the state under current conditions. You’re like a chat bot quoting things without any context. Also, nice whataboutism there kiddo.

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                  Yeah, he was expecting there’d eventually be a global revolution… that would disregard borders.

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          Americans…

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          I did not claim that starting a war on Iran was OK. I said that sanctioning them is OK. Sanctions on Iran should not stop just because of Trump’s idiotic war.

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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            The Lancet has published data concluding that US imposed sanctions cause the deaths of more than 564,000 people each year. More than half of the dead are children under the age of 5. If that’s what you support, you’re utterly sick.

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              If open trade with, and therefore support of, a totalitarian theocratic regime that just killed tens of thousands of protestors is what you support, you’re just as sick.

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                The ten thousands of protesters numbers comes from iranint backed by saudi arabia. Not to say that the regime did not intentionally killed protesters. All the usa is responsible of millions of death and iarael is doing a genocide

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                Way to try justify starving children fash.

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                  Iran doesn’t have starving children.

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      People ruled by pedophile oligarchs don’t get to decide which governments are ‘good’ and invade countries based on that.

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        Agreed, but this post is talking about Canada. Are you as confused about Canada’s sovereignty as Trump is?

        Also, what’s up with the completely unrelated picture?

        This is just a bad post, man.

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          I’m not confused at all about the fact that Canada has little practical sovereignty and acts as America’s junior partner committing crimes around the world. What’s up with living in a cave and not being aware of internet memes.

          Also, I don’t actually care what you think about my comment or post, man.

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            You could have just said yes.

            Funny that I’m the one living under a rock because I don’t keep up to date on meme culture. Get outside some time. People aren’t that bad.

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              I’m sorry that nuance offends you and you need everything to be presented in infantile terms.

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                Do you even read what people say or just copy/paste from your prefab responses?

                Too bad you can’t just ban me from here too, huh?

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        Ok but who is being ruled by pedophile oligarchs? This is a Canadian sub. What is your point here, that we sanctioned Iran? While maybe we don’t all wish that there’s bombs falling on people’s heads, at the same time the regime in Iran are far from sweethearts…

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          This is a post about Canada is supporting the attack on Iran by the Epstein coalition. Let me know if there’s something else you’re confused about.

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            Is it? It doesn’t say “in response to the America-Iran war…”. As the above poster pointed out, sanctions were occurring long before, and are continuing to occur after.

            A war can have two villains. If you’d like to complain that Canada isn’t placing sanctions on the US for things they’ve done, feel free. But that is not the argument you’re making.

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              Buddy’s too busy screaming at clouds. I’m not sure what he’s trying to argue here, but it’s morphing and it’s not rational.

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              Iran was never a serious threat to the USA and not a threat at all to Canada . The USA was always a real threat to Iran from the day Iranians got rid of the Shah. If sanctions was always about human right abuses Canada would have sanctions on Iran during the Shah. It is pretty clear every single sanction on Iran is because of the usa and israel.

              Any sanctions is reducing Iranians resources to defend itself against the USA and Israel who want to genocide them

              A war can have two villains.

              It is like saying both the European settlers in Canada and First nations was villains because first nations did terrible things to each others during wars

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              The argument I’m making is that Canada is aligning with the burger reich genocidal policy, and I guess that’s no surprise given that Canada itself is a colonial apartheid state.

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                Canada itself is a colonial apartheid state.

                Was? Colonial settlement was not pretty, and our history is supremely fucked up, so while I dislike the use of apartheid specifically, the essence is there.

                Is? Absolutely not. Fuck off with this propagandist take. You should be embarrassed to be comparing the genuine atrocities of the past/parts of the world with the current state of Canada.

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                  The Canadian governments are constantly trying or doing breaches of first nations sovereignty

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                  No, not was, it is an apartheid state today occupying unceded indigenous land. Don’t pretend it’s history. And not only is Canadian state committing crimes against native people here, but Canadian mining companies engage in literal slavery in Africa. https://theconversation.com/slavery-charges-against-canadian-mining-company-settled-on-the-sly-148605

                  You’re either an utter ignoramus or spreading propaganda here intentionally. Either way, kindly take your own advice there and fuck off yourself colonizer apologia.

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          So when is Canada invading America? If not being sweethearts is the requirement.

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      The government’s repression and killing is still going on, and it will continue until the regime falls.

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        Which is why it’s bizarre we’re supporting them throughout all their belligerence.

        Oh sorry I thought you were talking about the US

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