Im sure we can still find him a slot clearing mine fields.

Not to mention to keep themselves in line with Johnny Comelate Paul. In a way they could be called Paulians.

Speaking about courage, Ben Shapiro is now able to enlist thanks to the new cap on age limits. Just putting that out there.

A big part of that is religion. It is defined to be universally true and good; not to even bring up the importance of your soul and its possible eternal punishment. A lot of the absurdity ties back to Christianity for justification. The theological soundness does not even seem to matter either.

walking contradiction; nationalism is idolatry

This is true. I am not a theist, but I think this is one of those things were the JW view of “we are just passing though and are not interested in worldly things” makes sense. They are still harmful overall.

The whole nationalist christian (nat-c) thing is so theologically twisted its crazy anyone takes it seriously. Tho a big part of the faith is to train oneself to do these mental backflips and apologia, so I guess.

We are in a class war. I feel that elections are still a front in that war, not the main one, but still an important one and we neglect it to our detriment. Our attitudes toward things matter. It is hard to reflect it on ourselves. That is all.

I remember reading my old states book that said a minimum of 30 points needed for normal distribution. Also typically these small sets about proof of concept, so yeah you still got a point.

And we can move forward together there. I’ll always vote as left as possible.

I happen to be in one of the last places they might show up. That said, if they were I would vote in their primary and again for them in the general.

What lack of urgency and privilege?

The kind were you are so dismissive about building out our options and growing progressive politics. Particularly in regards to voting.

I knew plenty of MLs who did vote for PSL in the last few elections, just feels like you’re dealing in caricatures.

And I’ve spoken to many that are dismissive and taunting about just not doing so.

I don’t see the democrats as credible ‘harm reduction’. they are useless at best, co-conspirators at worst.

Which is why we should vote as left as possible. Particularly in primaries. Ideally have our own party running.

and try to get comrades to at least vote in those because they’re decided by like a hundred people

Great. It does not seem like it. It reads like you would do the opposite.

just to be clear, your problem really is about my attitude towards democrats

Thank you for that Ms. Strawman. I don’t think mls would show up to vote if we did have a group up left leaning party.

I will point that early on I did say it would be ideal to have our own party. Voting dem is more about a necessity since we as a group have neglected to form one (in part thanks to the prevailing attitude similar to yours that the elections don’t matter).

I also never said that its the only form of organization we should do. Just that it is foolish of us to ignore it. Which is why I am also reaching out to you to please encourage fellow lefties to vote as left as possible.

I also never said that anarchism was a bad thing or undesirable. I did ask you for help in short term harm reduction. It seems to me that your lack of urgency is due to privilege.

Just look at how much effort I have to go to ask a lefty, you, to encourage others to form a party and at least vote as left as possible. It is toxic behavior on your part to push back on what you broadly agree with and tear down the coalitions we have. J Edgar Hoover couldn’t have done better if he trained agentes himself.

I clearly say that its good that you voted. I also say that your disdain for participation is harmful and that it would be helpful if you talk to our other fellow lefties about doing so. At least to spoil their ballots. Like you said early on it is the minimum civil engagement.

I also pointed out that your attitude about voting sets a discouraging message to those around you. It fosters apathy and dis-unity among our fellow lefties.

Is that more clear?

You aren’t even internally consistent in that post, you say that it’s great that I vote, but then act like I don’t again in the second paragraph

You are going to have to clarify. I feel I have made my point.

are you incapable of registering that I do vote?

you’re making me sound like I’m an influencer

Everyone is to some degree. Leadership by example is powerful and the actions are you communicating is that you are not going to get everything so you are not going to even try. It creates a nagative feedback loop. Diva won’t vote as there is no leftist party. There is no leftist party because Diva won’t show for it. At scale this means we as a group are missing out on more organization and influence.

To be fair to you the communication is leadership by example is often unintentional. You may not have the intention to create this feedback loop or other influences, but that does not mean you are not doing so. This is true for everyone.

For someone who deeply cares about ending genocide you put too much effort into talking about why you won’t take a small action that could help. Would you roll a dice to stop it if the probability was 1:100 of stopping it? Note that not rolling also means a continue. Your attitude is that you would rather just let it continue. I suppose it is easy to have a purity test when you are not cold and hungry in a siege. In that sense you are not checking your privilege with your lack of urgency. And this is only one topic on the ballot.

Fr, and lemmy is broadly left leaning to

I vote plenty

That is great, and it would be helpful to us both if you also didn’t have an infectious attitude about elections that discourages others to show up. Its fine if you do not want to run or help in a campaign, but it would be helpful if you spoke to and helped fellow lefties show up to primaries and vote as left as possible.

If you still really hate it show up and spoil your ballot at a minimum. Elections are still a show of numbers and credibility. A revolutionary group that cannot commit to such a low stakes action is not credible for higher level organization and resistance.

The thread is about both-sides-sim. I pointed out a case in how its still helpful to vote as left as possible.

That which was to be demonstrated once again.

Hey, I’m an anarchist, at least pretend you’re reading anything I’m saying. I vote plenty, you can’t seem to register that though because you’re stuck fighting ghosts.

And I am still asking you to make common cause with us to vote for short term goals. Do you want to quote were I said you should not want to ultimatly destroy the government?

“We should have our own party BUT actually let’s just be dem progressives forever”

Given how much push back I am getting from a fellow lefty like yourself to vote left we are going to be stuck as progressive dem for some time. Thanks for your contribution here.

now pretending that voting isn’t all you are advocating for?

I’ll refer you to my opening comment Ms. Strawman.