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Cake day: June 24th, 2023

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  • ‘Theater partner’ is literal translation. Basically it is her date for an actual theater performance.
    The implications is that going to a theater or opera means you have to dress up. It was still true about 30 years ago.
    The basket and wallet indicates that she thinks he is dressed for a date to go to the piac (kinda farmer’s market but not fancy at all think of fish market just no fish).



  • Okay don’t take mg argument:
    Donald E. Brown in Human Universals (1991) identifies religion (in some form) as a human universal—present in all documented cultures.
    George P. Murdock’s cross-cultural work (Ethnographic Atlas) found no society lacking religious beliefs or practices among those sufficiently described.

    Archeologcal evidence:
    Even before written history, material evidence shows symbolic and ritual behavior:
    Burials with grave goods (suggesting afterlife beliefs), e.g.
    Skhul Cave (~100,000 years ago) Ritual or symbolic structures like Göbekli Tepe (~9600 BCE).

    Absence of counterexamples:
    No clearly documented pre-modern society (hunter-gatherer, tribal, early agrarian, or early state) has been shown to lack:
    supernatural beliefs and ritual practices and symbolic meaning systems tied to them.
    Even cases once proposed as “non-religious” (e.g., some interpretations of certain groups) were later found to include:
    animism - animal spirits / power / speaking animals ancestor reverence - respecting dead people - believing in afterlife ritualized cosmology - cave drawings, sun gods, spirit of rain.

    These may not look like organized religion (no temples, no priesthood), but it is the same.




  • No you won’t have empathy towards your enemies when you don’t have the luxury to do so.
    How many conflicts are going on right now where religion and local society is killing ‘others’ without any mercy?
    Do you think those brain washed massses can waste to feel emphatic towards the enemy that is ‘evil’, ‘bad’ or ‘unclean’ and deserved to be killed?
    If they would - they freaking would stop all these friggin wars. Morality wins - and morality still not a good thing.


  • No those are morals. Religion helped to use those rules against “others”. ‘You should not rape your friends wife, but you can do anything with yours.’ look at the Bible and those marriage rules.
    ‘You should not do business outside the tribe’ - several current religions still have this rule, a bit more softened.
    And so on.
    Those are morals set by ruling class = religion or god kings (example: pharaohs). They are the foundation of society.And that’s what I keep saying. Morals and society has the foundation in religion.


  • You keep forgetting that morals doesn’t mean right.
    Let me bring up some morally right things - that were 100% acceptable by the ruling class - so religion included:
    Owning humans.
    Raping your wife - because that’s not rape.
    Chemically castrate gay men.
    Killing accused women without any evidence of witchcraft.
    Segregation based on skin, belifs or origin.
    Killing and pillaging.
    Having a ruler chosen by god.
    Ethnic cleansing.
    Killing the old / mentally ill / poor.
    Taking money for made up reasons.

    That is morality.


  • Even now if an american football team makes a touchdown and wins while you were eating and drinking some snacks - it was the snacks magical ability and not the athlete’s skills - right?
    Again my argument was never about believing in religion. But religion is being 5he foundation of morals and society. I never debated against current beliefs or believing or questioning anybody’s moral compass if they are not religious. You are reading something I did not write.


  • Because you are a pre caveman and have no idea of anything.

    Let me add to this. It was your shower thought. Anxiety is different for people in different situations. The birth time of religion is the same as speech. Even before speech humans had anxiety about things they couldn’t explain. So everything is belief and superstition. Superstition eventually becomes religion.


  • No my argument is that morality is based on religion. Your argument is that you don’t need religion for morals.
    I reiterated that you do not need religion for morals any more. And I made a point that you needed religion 200 years ago to stay alive and that even some places you still need it to stay alive.
    Then you were confused about the 200 yrs - and I pointed out that you still need religion in couple places to stay alive.
    And now you are having a gotcha moment because religious people kill people just like any fanatics do. Just look around to all the freaking conflicts going on right now.
    And btw in their eyes they are on the moral high ground - they are right - so religion is a basis of morality and society.