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Could you please mark it NSFW and tag it as described in the rules?
Marked it as NSFW, not sure what to tag it. I didn’t NSFW it initially because there wasn’t any nudity or near-nudity, and I didn’t think it needed it?
From the perspective of evolution having sex is a measurement of success, so I have mixed feelings about this message.
Taking care of people benefits the community, so it’s also a measurement of success!
I am not undermining potential social issues and neither have I said that you should let egocentric interests guide your life as we transcend biological goals by constantly fighting against our nature. However ignoring such goals are also a harmful, repressive idea. Saying “I’m not a prize” is different than saying “I’m not just a prize”.
Interactions with people aren’t prizes, and shouldn’t be conceptualized as such.
“Humans have needs and desires” and “Humans should conceptualize the fulfillment of their needs and desires as separate from the people they interact (and resulting consequences) with to achieve them” are two different things.
Most basic idea, do unto others. People sometimes want to feel wanted, even in just a purely carnal sense; people generally do not want to feel treated like an object, an abstract, or a piece of meat in the process.
I am not taking about what people want to be or what you should or should not do. My point wasn’t about “should” but about “is”. I am also not talking about all human interactions but specifically sex, which is goal oriented and has a very clear concept of a prize (a reward) if you think in terms of reinforcement learning.
Wouldn’t the “prize” be the act of sex and not the woman herself? You are not granted ownership of a woman just by having sex with her.
True, I didn’t pay attention to that. A prize implies ownership. So she would represent a prize but not be one. Good point
I am also not talking about all human interactions but specifically sex, which is goal oriented and has a very clear concept of a prize (a reward) if you think in terms of reinforcement learning.
Okay, let me rephrase this again, in light of that wording of your position:
“Do not treat human beings simply as means to achieve a goal, even if the human being is necessary for that goal.”
I mostly agree if you look at it from a moral standpoint, even because completely guiding your actions by egocentric goals is antisocial behavior. My concern was about the complete erasure of that goal in language. It is true that humans are more than what their biology sets them to be, but obscuring the actual goal in language seems to be a repressive enactment.
It is true that humans are more than what their biology sets them to be, but obscuring the actual goal in language seems to be a repressive enactment.
It’s repressive to ask men to not view women only as sexual conquests because of biology?
How can i tactfully say: i aggree you are a person and will treat you as such. However humam nature is such that your very pleasing apparence is currently shorting pathways from visual cortex to the brainstem. Or in short, i’m turning dumb right now, please hold while i get accustomed.
Of course im mot going to have that conversation, its juste replying to this post.
Sometime it feels like going from a dark room to full on sun, and the brain needs a little time adjusting.
I think it was George rr martin in an interview was asked why he wrote women well
“Well you know, I’ve always considered women as people.”
Even though this is the same man who wrote the “fat pink mast scene.” Lactation and all
someone explain?
Finding people sexy is fine, but treat them as people first and foremost. Degrading and objectifying people isn’t humanizing, obviously, but neither is idolizing them or projecting an idealization of a romantic partner.
Could you also explain what you mean by “objectification” and how is it different than “finding people sexy”
Generally, the not bothering of interacting with someone as a person beyond the sexual. It’s fine in certain contexts, namely one’s where that’s what everyone goes into the space looking for, but for contrast I typically know a few non sexual things about someone after a night of heavy flirtation and making out ar a bar
Go to any NSFW post and look at the comments. Don’t say that.
thanks!
even your horny posts are schematic…
Being obsessively analytic is a blessing and a curse alike, lol
Boobs = upvotes
Th-the angry men lied to me??
