• paultimate14@lemmy.world
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    12 days ago

    I honestly am starting to think the anti-vaxx crowd has been astroturfed by pharmaceutical corporations in order to convince the general public that anyone who questions Big Pharma is some loomy who thinks vaccines cause autism wants to drink raw milk.

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    The first batches of mRNA vaccines were terrible. One of my friends had his skin start peeling after the first shot. Two others died within a day from the third shot. One of them was an athlete who swam daily. In my country, they were pushed on everyone, babies and pregnant women, some of whom later had abortions. But I guess no one will ever admit any mistakes. it’s easier to sow division among people than to seriously look into potential side effects.

  • Dimi Fisher@lemmy.world
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    Never took it, never needed it, I never will, so for the uneducated who are ready to polarize and divide people on a matter that is strictly personal, I remind you to read history and learn what is a pandemic because if you have to do a test to see if you got it, then it’s definitely not one, it was just a common flu and the experiment was you, so good luck you re gonna need it!

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      Here’s to you being removed from the gene pool. Hope you haven’t reproduced. If you do have kids, you shouldn’t be allowed to have custody.

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            You can call it whatever you like it, it’s still hate and is eating you alive, so sad, good luck to you too!

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              You rarely, if ever, find yourself in need of correction or acknowledging you might be incorrect about anything, is this a correct assumption? How often, if ever, do you find yourself doing a self inventory and audit on your personal views and beliefs?

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                12 hours ago

                If you are not a troll and you seriously asking me this, then you have some serious thinking to do about your life, I m sry, cy

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        11 days ago

        I dont remember flaming under your comments dude, so you are the one who has to go back to reddit, stop mirroring yourself to everyone around you.

    • The D Quuuuuill@slrpnk.net
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      11 days ago

      strictly personal

      Oh, so I assume you’ve self isolated yourself entirely and aren’t going within 15 feet of anyone else or letting anyone else come within 15 feet of you?

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        11 days ago

        Something tells me that no one would be within 15 feet of that person anyway.

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          Wow man coming on the net saying stupid things like that to strangers makes you feel manly? Poor lad, good luck to you too!

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          Vaccination is a major component of community health measures. If someone doesn’t want to participate in community health measures, they are a risk to communities. Without vaccination, the only way an unvaccinated person can keep from putting the community at risk is to increase social distancing to a degree that would disallow them to spread diseases to immunocompromised people within the community. During an epidemic or pandemic, with no vaccine, and with other measures in place like masking, testing, and contact tracing, a social distancing policy of 6 ft can keep a disease from spreading rampantly. However, we are not currently mass masking, testing, or contact tracing mostly trusting people to be and act safe.

          But you’ve decided to opt out of community health measures. You’ve decided to lone wolf it because it’s, as you put it, a strictly personal choice. This means that you don’t have to participate in community health measures, but it also means that if you come closer than 15 feet to people who are engaged in community health measures, you are raising their risk of unknowingly spreading something to someone immunocompromised. If we were to not engage in community health measures, we would need to increase the spacing from 6 ft to 15 ft to prevent devestating health risks.

          So since you’ve chosen this for yourself, I assume you’re taking these measures? Or are you being a typical selfish antivaxxer who wants to receive the benefits of community health measures without doing anything to participate in making them work?

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            Massive vaccination at once across all groups no matter the age, gender etc never happened before, and shouldnt happen ever, so what exactly are you trying to prove or disprove?

    • NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca
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      12 days ago

      I can’t describe how many patients I see in an average week who are taking homeopathic stuff for their dental diseases and ask me hopefully if it’s working. No, magic toxin water has not cured your gingivitis or rebuilt your cavitated tooth.

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    I know a couple of anti-vax people who won’t take or get any vaccine, but they will happily buy unregulated dick pills from china.

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    Sadly, the stupid tend to breed prolifically, and anti-vax idiots often have a gaggle of spawn, and are keen to whelp more litters as the others die from perfectly preventable diseases

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      I think about that often. The people who have the most kids are generally the ones who can’t afford them and have a harder time providing extra-curricular activities or those with more extreme religious beliefs who may opt out of scientific education. If your average Mormon has 3-4 kids and your average astrophysicist has 1-2, the population trend must eventually follow.

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        12 days ago

        Mormons, Jews, Protestants and Catholics, and Muslims all seem to have more children the farther down the crazy path they go. I don’t know enough about other religions.

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    The curse of vaccines is that they’re victims of their own success. They are so successful in fact that people forget why we need them in the first place. That’s why we unfortunately need a control group.

    Thankfully some people volunteer for that role …

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      I feel like the antivaxxers are more concentrated in the developed north because of privileges; from having better access to healthcare, better economy, and less prevalence of deadlier diseases because of colder climate. So they get treatment more easily if they need one, and don’t see nasty diseases. Meanwhile, the global south tend to believe more in vaccinations because diseases in warmer climate are more common and deadlier.

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        I mean, you say that. But we have a quarterly all-hands office meeting at my company. Every meeting kicks off with “This is how many accidents we had this quarter. We are aiming for ZERO accidents. Zero Is Achievable.” And in the quarters we’ve had zero accidents, the upper management makes a big deal out of it.

        There have been a number of campaigns to eliminate certain viruses from the human population - smallpox being the most famous. And there was quite a bit of glory doled out to celebrate the regional elimination of these contagions.

        It’s possible to make prevention a celebrated endeavor. But you do have to prioritize it. And you can’t run away and blow it off when you fail. I think the real “no glory” issue is in bungled preventative campaigns. Far easier to insist vaccinations don’t work than to acknowledge our pre-Trump efforts at vaccinating the population have been half-assed and profit-motivated.

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      Nobody was thinking straight during the Covid Panic. I got the vaccine because I’m the type of person it likes to kill.

      But it surprised me that the crowd that are terrified of Forever Chemcalz, atomz, BPA, microplastics and frequently scream “Regulations are written in blood!” were chomping at the bit to force everyone to get injected with a product from Big Pharma that was fast tracked and bypassed all normal regulations to get to market as soon as possible by the executive orders of a billionaire president they despised.

      Meanwhile, the MAGA crowd were booing Trump at his rallies when he told them to go out and get vaccinated.

      The whole world had gone cross-eyed.

      Edit:

      If any humans happen into this thread, take a look at these bots below replying, upvoting, downvoting. It’s shocking. It’s like There Will Come Soft Rains in reverse.

      They have no idea what I’m saying. I made a joke about the possibility that vaccines could cause people to explode and they’re taking it at face value. Spitting out the same messages over and over “it’s safe and effective” and “You’re spreading misinformation” and demanding I provide evidence that vaccines cause people to explode and seriously explaining that vaccines do not cause people to explode. Wow.

      Maybe the world didn’t go cross-eyed. It was the bots.

      • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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        I made a joke about the possibility that vaccines could cause people to explode and they’re taking it at face value.

        Nobody took it at face value, you lying troll.

        bots bots bots bots bots bots bots

        The fact that we don’t put up with your troll shit doesn’t make us bots.

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            I wish I was a bot so I wouldn’t have to worry about the diseases you’re gonna spread with your idiotic troll shit.

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                Oh come on, you have to be less obvious when you troll!

                Yes, I’m sure bashing everyone else who got the vaccine as a brainwashed hypocrite who’s just following trends is the way to encourage more people to get the vaccine. Yes, what a “rational” response to assert that you’re the only person who got it for rational reasons and that everyone else is an idiot.

                Come on, you know as well as I do that none of your comments from the very beginning have been about encouraging anyone to get vaccinated. At best it’s about trying to feel superior to everyone. At worst it’s trying to pick a fight and spread confusion and doubt.

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                  Yes, I’m sure bashing everyone else who got the vaccine as a brainwashed hypocrite who’s just following trends

                  I’m not though because the vast majority of people are not political hobbyists and they, like me, did not get the vaccine because it was fashionable. They got it because it was reasonable.

                  Come on, you know as well as I do that none of your comments from the very beginning have been about encouraging anyone to get vaccinated.

                  This is not true. But if you insist on believing it, take comfort from the lessons of Kurt Vonnegut’s Mother Night. Even if I’m pretending to encourage people to get vaccinated, it is still encouraging people to get vaccinated. You are who you pretend to be.

      • NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world
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        You should probably look up how vaccine testing schedules work normally compared to what they ddid with the covid vax. They didn’t rush or skip any testing, they simply put it ahead of every other test schedule, it was tested as thoroughly as every other vaccine, they merely delayed testing of other vaccines, because of the whole pandemic thing that was going on and, you know, the cripplingly dire need for it and all that.

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          I don’t like the use of commas to signify pauses. Commas are better for grammatical structure in my opinion. Better to use an ellipsis (…), or an em dash (—). My two cents.

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              I welcome them when they make grammatical sense. 🙂 I’m also partial as I’m a developer by trade.

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                  Agreed, but somehow your use of it here still feels off. Like it isn’t necessary at all right there; at least that’s how I feel. The thing that comes after the semicolon needs to be able to stand on its own. Or use it when counting: Strawberries, blueberries, raspberries; flour, sugar, and cereal; milk, and cream.