Where is he getting that information, exactly? Can this be independently verified?
Big f—ing /s on this one…
Every US president in the last 35 years has bombed the middle east.
[] Leo said. "He revealed the gentle face of God, who always rejects violence.
I think my Bible might be faulty
No no no. That was the Old Testament which doesn’t count anymore.
The New Testament is the one that we care about (except we’ve we don’t)
Because God’s absolute morality somehow changes over time while still being absolute, because something or other that makes no sense.
I mean, that’s not wild on it’s face. You can explain shifting morality with respect to changing material conditions and social relationships.
I might argue that the Old Testament God was intended to offer leverage to the intelligencia (priest class) over the military/aristocracy (kings and their courtiers).
Meanwhile, the New Testament was fundamentally describing a God of Slaves, preaching equinimity and grace in the next life for the hardships of the modern day.
And then, when the slave class overthrew and supplanted the Pagan aristocracy, suddenly the Old Testament was back in fashion again.
It makes sense historically
The position of Pope has been used to send many people to their death primarily in the middle ages. Julius II was called the Warrior Pope, he was the first and only pontiff to command and lead a papal army into battle. 1503 - 1513 and then there were the Crusades
Ok based af of him
Being an American and a good Christian is contradictory. Look at how it started in America, forced conversions of native American children and that was just of what we know of it, at least here in America.
That’s just original sin talk. Also, Leo is American. For an American to be a good Christian takes extra work, “it’s not my fault but it is my responsibility” and whatnot, but I’ve met Americans who are good Christians, and yeah they’re involved in attempting to right the wrongs that can be righted here
Being an American and a good person is contradictory, what with the numerous genocides throughout her history and all, that being one of them.
I get what you’re saying but it’s hard to lay blame on a modern person for some shit a related group of people did 150 years ago. That’s like saying it’s impossible to be Irish and a good Catholic, what with the child slavery prisons, which are far more recent. Or that is impossible to be a Muslim and a good person, what with the things other Muslims have done in the name of God.
You’re responsible for you. Other people are responsible for themselves. Unless you happen to believe that every person is responsible for the sins of his father. Which, weirdly enough the Catholic Church does, but didn’t happen to be involved in that particular genocide.
Also, counterpoint, Mr Rogers. American, Christian, good person. Or Jimmy Carter.
It’s almost like putting general groups of people into stereotypical categories makes it easy to hate and blame and keep us divided.
I wonder who stands to benefit the most from that.
In a manner of speaking, this is correct. A Christian’s home is in Heaven, they simply travel here as immigrants.
Why are you idiots upvoting what the ceo of a bigot and homophobic cult said?
Because he’s the voice of the largest denomination in the US and he’s the head of the vice president’s religion and loudly condemning him.
I don’t love the church, I left it over the homophobia, misogyny, and transphobia. But I recognize how influential the pope is and that his preaching may be able to reduce how fucked my country is right now.
I don’t believe Catholicism is the biggest denomination in the US
Fictional characters don’t matter
What are you talking about?
… Leo isn’t fictional.
so does that mean Catholic teaching changes over time ? Because to my knowledge, the crusader were motivated by the Pope speeches !
Yes, it does.
It does, and will continue to do so.
The bishops responsible for ejecting the Pope are likely aware of this, and is by in large why Leo was chosen. The church really doesn’t get to set the cultural trend as much as nudge it in a particular direction. It’s the bumpers in a bowling alley, not the ball.
People are going to find something they don’t like,then seek justification for not liking it.
Two dudes fuckin, ew! I would never do that that’s so gross. Oh look, here’s this passage in this book I like saying that’s actually evil! Hell yeah!
When it looks like ‘Christians’ cherry pick passages to support whatever nonsense they’re on about, that’s because they are, always have done so and always will. Because the nonsense was always more important to them than the Bible. It just so happens that the Bible says a lot of shit that’s very easy to take out of context to support whatever nonsense you want.
The Pope is reading the room, and providing justification. Or rather, the Cardinals elected a Pope that aligns with the current climate and he’s just saying whatever
God tells him tocomes to mind. He might swing a few people but if he pushes too hard what he’ll just alienate some Catholics and they might break off and do their own thing, again.I think you meant to say ‘electing the pope’ instead of ‘ejecting the pope’?
I did. But ejecting the Pope is a funny image so it stays.
As I recall, only the first Crusade was endorsed by a Pope. And no, the teachings don’t change, though the way things are phrased varies based on culture.
Kind of yeah, one of the reasons for the pope existing. That’s why they keep doing the whole voting thing
I still don’t understand how you can elect a holy man. All i can think of is Moses creating campaign ads
Not catholic myself so take it with a bucket of salt, but i always figured it was because it was all the holy dudes doing the voting. Sacred by osmosis or something
College of Cardinals gather to vote on who replaces the Pope. No one over 80 is allowed to vote.
they are would actually be praying to demonic forces.
Lol, who says the leaders who wage wars even pray?
I think the Pope was responding to this:
Peter’s no leader. I doubt anyone would willingly follow him for anything.
Lol American Catholics don’t listen to the pope
The only good thing they ever did
Crusaders: Is Deus Vult not the way of our Lord, your holiness?
Hypocrisy? In the Catholic church?! They wouldn’t dare…
Odin might listen, if he’s feeling generous. But even he can’t change fate. Plus he’s notoriously fickle. So since you’re going to die anyway; die on your feet, not your knees.
US Christian’s don’t give a fuck about the pope. Probably most aren’t Catholic anyway. And even some of US Catholics (likely in the south and midwest) don’t give a fuck what the pope says either.
American Protestantism was a huge mistake
There’s an evolving strain of US Catholicism, exemplified by weirdos like JD Vance, who like the aesthetic of Catholicism (especially the Deus Vult thing) without really caring about any of the actual Catholic beliefs. It’s more like they have a childish misunderstanding of Catholicism as just being a more serious Christian. Which is not uncommon a misunderstanding in the south/Midwest, oddly enough - the desire for fundies to create a coalition to fight abortion in the 70’s/80’s really ended a lot of the more typical anti-Catholicism of the south.
Similar to the “American Orthodox,” which is the same idea with more of a Russian flavor.
I think he knows being from the US himself…
The more entrenched conservative US christians would undoubtedly dismiss the pope’s message, but those who are less affiliated might give it some thought.
