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It’s so weird that they went through with justifying the difference in pay (which I don’t think they actually had to do in such detail) and somehow… they didn’t stop halfway through and realize that doesn’t actually justify anything. The “we value your attitude” part is exactly why she should be paid equally. I mean, they literally offered her a leverage to use in negociation.
I’m surprised no one in the comments noticed that the person getting paid the same for working harder is a woman. This is sadly the norm in many businesses including those that I’ve worked for. That made this seem awfully likely to be real other than only a moron would actually put this in writing. I think this lady should just start doing as much work as her salary dictates. There is clearly no benefit to busting your ass if you get paid shit. Also, start looking for a new place of employment.
Tell me where did you see woman selectively getting underpaid, which field?
I’ve seen the opposite. Junior dev girl got 5x raise while I got only 20% as strong middle almost equalizing our salaries. In fact where I live I have never seen such thing. Only social cute ones usually get good raise. Introverts never
Good, good… Make them fight each other
The world has enough “what’s your reaction?” content. No need to poll the internet, just make a decision and move on with your life.
This is like saying the world has enough stories, so new stories don’t have a place anymore.
Hard disagree.
Should take your own advice sometimes? The world has enough comments.
I, however, am all for documenting unfair treatment and putting it out in the open.
but how else am I going to make thousands of people incessantly angry at a strawman if I don’t make them think I haven’t made it up?
THINK OF THE CLICKS! THE CLIIICKS! (to the tune of “She takes premium, dude”)
But it’s scary!
Did everyone clap, too?
I just don’t believe a boss would commit to writing “your output is higher and better but I like Tad’s vibe better.”
Just begging for a visit from HR.
Yeah, don’t believe this at all. Reads like some dream sequence someone had. Even the dumbest managers wouldn’t say something this stupid, they all know this is a trip right to HR.
Consider yourself lucky then.
I have absolutely met managers this dumb. I had a manager quote me in an email reply, with what was quoted in the same email chain and included with the other replies, then forward it (still including all the replies!) claiming that he “rescued” me from a client incident because I didnt reply.
With the reply from me just two emails below.
Yes, there are absolute idiots in management who would 100% reply with this.
I have had managers send me emails telling me to ignore warehouse safety standards set by OSHA, regardless of what the warehouse personnel tell me when I’m there for the day.
Also had managers that recorded themselves breaking company safety rules and post to social media.
I’ve even had one manager that straight up pointed a gun at me in front of 3 cameras thinking it was a funny joking thing.
Never assume management has a single brain cell, let alone enough to realize when something probably shouldn’t be done or said.
Even the dumbest managers
You’re overestimating people.
When I was a manager, I refused to discuss another employee with their coworker. If you want a raise, tell me why you deserve a raise for what you do. And I was very careful to only put established company policy in writing, everything else was “let’s circle back to that in person when we’re both at the office.”
I’ve been a union rep for a good few years and honestly you wouldn’t believe the shit I’ve seen managers put in writing. “It is company policy to commit crimes here” levels of brazenly breaking the law, especially for stuff like disability discrimination. I can 100% believe this.
Tbh, “company policy” are magical words.
I assume if something illegal gets labeled as “Company Policy” (even though it isn’t), the company should immediately be held accountable regardless - so terrible managers don’t get to throw those two words around as a magic shield to protect themselves from employees being cognitively indisonant, unlike their perfect selves.
My bosses must be smarter than the most them because they refuse to ever put anything in writing.
Yeah, this feels like bullshit.
I don’t believe this but you can absolutely fire someone for vibes.
Your attitude does affect team members. I’d happily fire a high out put team member for being an ass.
Sounds like an edge case
Nope. It’s a spectrum, but at some point “vibes” absolutely matter.
lol first time reading the opinions of morons?
I want some oponions. Regular onions aren’t doing it for me anymore.
These days there’s the possibly that a manager might just use an AI for response and not consider the implications if the tone looks professional at a glance, perhaps. There’s something that feels AI-ish about it anyway, but that could simply be the corporate “professional” writing style I suppose.
Work hard to get paid. Once you get paid, dial back that work folks. Dial it right back.
This feels fake. I could be wrong and hope I am.
No manager competent enough to write that well is going to put anything like that down in writing. Totally fake.
It’s an AI written justification.
Could still be fake, but there are absolutely people that are this stupid and use chatgpt.
It doesn’t read like it’s generated, but I’m not really that savvy on these things
There’s people at Amazon that thought an AI only phone is a good idea
Yep. This would never ever be an email. It’ll be a in-person meeting.
Why? It leaves a paper trial, and it’s written too “smart”.
I have broken some HR policies before - real stupid ones (like using the bathroom too much or something ridiculous) and had “the meeting”.
But when I ask them to give me a written version of the issues after the meeting, it’s always vague and points to line items in the handbook.
I worked for an IT manager who fired me after I pointed out that he was scammed for buying a 6 pack 1TB flash drives from Amazon for $40.
He wrote an email saying I was a jerk for delegitimizing his authority which I took to HR and was fired the next day “for not being a good culture fit” and was paid to be under a nondisclosure for half a year.
I am like Mulder, I believe the morons are out there.
Good reminder not to trust HR.
It actually sounds like ChatGPT, so…
That was one of my first thoughts too, but I’m not sure that’s a sign of it being fake.
The whole thing is curious but I’d need more detail to make a confident statement.
There ARE a lot of incompetent managers out there though …
Marcus gives the best bjs
Working hard and working effectively are not always the same thing.
Not working hard or effectively is always the same thing.
“What is it you’d say you do here?”
“I’m a vibes person! I deal with vibes!”
That sounds like a bit of a jump to conclusions
I can see a situation where that makes sense. A colleague who keeps morale up can be at least as important for the team as one who works hard
…on the other hand, it can also be a way for managers to reward their loyal favorites for no particular reason.I dunno, this makes me happy we have collectively bargained wages at my workplace
My take on it is that the manager should take her complaint seriously and should not have replied like that. That’s all we can really go on as we don’t know anything else about the situation, work load, what Marcus should be doing, etc.
Yeah, the manager fucked up by providing too much info and wording it poorly. If it’s “you two have different skills and contribute to the team in different ways” that’s another story. If Marcus is also making sure the rest of the team feels supported and keeps morale high then that is work too! (As someone who often fills the emotional support human role, on top of regular duties, I’m glad that this could be recognized). Productivity is more than work output, and comparison is the thief of joy.
If the person is upset because they feel their workload is too high, or that they aren’t being compensated for their own work, then that’s a different convo they should be having.
Find another job, get a start date, call out first day of new job, if you like new job quit old next morning. They don’t deserve any notice. Simple.
Quit the Lawyer, Hit the Facebook, Gym Up
Hit up a lawyer, quit Facebook*
Idk why you’re being downvoted lol.
You could read between the lines and realize your attitude affects the team in a negative way.
Rage bait. Fake and straight.
